Dialog with Bibard

Feb 28
Bibard
Brother some of the sufi saints in indian punjab born to muslim families refered ALIF for the TRUE NAME OF GOD. I will explain u about this name. When a kid is born to a family parents/relatives give some name to him/her but its not that after birth kid gives names to the parends/elders coz they already existed and had some names also. Similarly we given names to God but God existed well before us so HE had some NAME than also. Muslims saints also said that to recite this name u dont need to move ur tongue or lips

Mar 04
Yusuf Estes
dear brother
Assuming that you are a Muslim, I ask you that before you explain the significance of Alif, you tell me what is the source of this knowledge. If Alif is really the true name of God then why did He choose to call Himself by the name Allah in the Holy Quran.

Mar 05
Bibard
Brother there is a difference between name and quality. Suppose u r a doctor. People may call u Doctor Yusuf or only Doctor. Your mother may call u son, ur son father and ur wife with some other quality of urs but still ur name remains to be Yusuf.
Similarly Allah got 99 names which r called ISM-A-SIFFAT, siffat means qualities. There is only ONE name which is called ISM-A-ZAAT (ZAAT means self) which doesnot comes into words so for it the place is just kept empty. We need a Murshid/Perfect Master/Messenger to enable us to listen to this NAME OF GOD.
God is ONE the method to achied God is also ONE and even THE RELIGION is also ONE. What u see so many religions around u r sects coz THE RELIGION is only ONE. I follow that RELIGION.
Somehow a frog from sea falls in the well (say after tsunami) where existed a frog already. Now the frog of the well asked the frog from sea that is ur sea this much big and well frog jumped 1/4th the size of well. The sea frog replied no its bigger. The well frog later jumped 1/2 the size of well but sea frog said that sea is still bigger. Than the well frog jumped from one corner to another. The sea frog laughed and said that its still bigger. That made the frog from well angry and said that go out of my well as nothing can be bigger than my well.
R u originally from indo-pak?
God is refered to as by some qualitative name coz there is no other way to mention HIS NAME. Like i told u the real NAME OF GOD doesnot comes in any language alphabets.
Brother BOOKs (including quran) r send by GOD but they always accompanied some MESSENGER. Why? Coz BOOKs r misunderstood by masses. Otherwise GOD could send BOOK alone. The meanings that we extract from BOOK is not always what GOD meant

Mar 05
Yusuf Estes
Brother, I asked you for the source of this information, about which you have not told me anything yet. If it is not in the Quran or in the Sunnah or in the sayings of the Prophet Muhammad then no muslim has the right to say that believing in it is a part of the religious obligations. Moreover it is only through the attributes and qualties of Allah that we come to know him. His zaat cannot be comprehended by us in this life. If anybody claims otherwise and has some personal experience to back up his claim then this is something for him to bother about and he cannot ask others to beleive in it.

This answer is only for someone who has already accepted Islam. For non-muslims who do not believe in the Prophet I have a slightly different explanation.

Mar 07
Bibard
I believe in Prophet and that he was the larst prophet for the arabs who lived during his tenure. If GOD send 1.24 lakh prophets for people who lived 1400+ years and none now means GOD is partial, HE did unjustice for us? Dont act like frog of the well. Grow

Mar 20
Yusuf Estes
Sorry for the late reply. Brother, what I understood from your previous post is that you believe in the prophethood of Muhammad (peace be upon him) but deny its finality. Your case is built upon an incorrect premise. You can either believe that he was not a Prophet of God (God forbid) or you can believe that he was the final prophet. No other possibility exists because of the clear statement of this fact in the Holy Quran.

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YUSUFALI: Muhammad is not the father of any of your men, but (he is) the Messenger of Allah, and the Seal of the Prophets: and Allah has full knowledge of all things.

Now, many people have tried to twist the translation of this verse but it should be noted that the words of the Quran are so clear that their knavery is self evident. The word used in the Quran is khatam (seal) and not khatim (last). Now, as you must be aware that once something has been sealed it means that there is nothing more that can be added to it. So, this means that Muhammad (peace be upon him) is not to be followed by any other prophet until the day of judgement. The books of hadith also contain explicit mention of this fact.

As for your saying that no messengers anymore implies injustice on the part of God, I wish to make it clear that this would have been unjust only if the message of the previous Prophet was lost and there were no means for the people to know the truth. I believe that such is not the case and that we have the book of Allah in its original form and we have access to all the necessary and vital information that was available to Muslims 14 centuries ago. And we also have people in the form of scholars who can help us better understand this message and to clear our doubts.

If you have any difficulty in understanding any aspect of Islam then I welcome you to share your problems with me. I will try my best to help you.

Mar 21
Bibard
HE was final prophet but for the arabs who were alive during his lifetime. Not for all mankind. There r prophets amongst muslims at many places after HIM and many more also
No spiritual literature only a Messenger/Guru can explain, al-quaida people also follow religious scholars. they also justify things according to quran. means either quran is wrong or al-quaida r not terrorists
When a messenger comes HE does not only gives u book or words, there is some practical aspect of religion also. Religion is not only theorey there is some practical part of it also. u will only understand once u have A MURSHID/GURU. there r 100’s of messengers amongst muslims only and they had lakhs of followers too
my Murshid/Messenger/Guru got more than 1 lakh muslim followers too
http://www.divyajyoti.org read more we have branches in the USA also

Mar 31
Yusuf Estes
Maybe you are confusing between, what we Muslims call, a Nabi (prophet) and a Rasool (messenger). The two are slightly different. A prophet is simply a non-divine human chosen by God to communicate His message. However, whenever a messenger comes, he not only delivers the message – like the prophets – he also admonishes and warns his direct addressees, that should they keep rejecting the message, they will not only suffer in the Hereafter, but will also be dominated in this world. The Messengers of God always prevail. Since Prophet Muhammad was also a Rasool so therefore I do agree that some of his preaching was time bound. But this in no way means that his entire message was meant only for the Arabs of his time. Also the time bound directives in the Quran stand out from the rest so that there is no room for any confusion if a person reflects on the words sincerely.
You said that “al-quaida people also follow religious scholars. they also justify things according to quran. means either quran is wrong or al-quaida r not terrorists ”
I would like to tell you that this could also mean that that the Quran is right and their religious scholars have misunderstood the Quran and that they, after all, are terrorists. The only way to know is to check what the words of the Quran say in this regard.
It is clear from the words of the Holy Quran that its message is meant for all human beings on the face of the earth not only during that time but for all times to come. For references from the Quran please check the following link http://www.irshad.org/finality/proof.php
I would like to stress that nowhere in any of the cited verses is it written that his prophethood was limited to the Arabs. If you still wish to ignore such a self evident reality that Prophet Muhammad claimed to be the last prophet for the whole of humanity then I don’t know what to say.
As a side point, if I agree with you, for the sake of argument, that he was the last prophet for the Arabs then will it not imply that God is unjust towards the Arabs!
I invite you to reconsider your stand and see things as they really are. Not how your murshid has told you.
The practical part of religion in Islam is included in the Sunnah of the Prophet and that has been transmitted to us through consensus and practical perpetuation of the Muslim ummah(nation). For further details please see http://www.renaissance.com.pk/JulSunn2y6.htm
I visited your site and couldn’t find any place where your guruji has claimed to be a prophet.

Mar 31
Bibard
We believe that whenever there is irreligiousness, God HIMSELF comes on earth to establish THE RELIGION and destroy the evil. This process is going on since this universe was created by GOD and will continue till dome day. Prophet Mohammad was one of the same strings. HE was not the larst INCARNATION OF GOD on earth.
If we agree to quran that Prophet was the larst and before him there were 1,24,000/- messengers. Than God seems like partial, HE send 1,24,001 messengers for people of 1400+ years ago. Dont u think we need one now also???
Brother this is just a propoganda strategy. If i say that my product is the best and is the larst piece left means consumer have no other choice. Christain/muslim preachers both claim that only their followers will go to paradise. Can both be right????
I agree that TRUTH is universal and is valid for all times also. But that is something different. Here u pretend to present a fake propoganda as THE TRUTH to which i have objections. U r not of indian origin otherwise i would have given u 1000’s of examples from muslim sufi saints (real ones, islamists have floated fake ones also), where they have not only criticized most of the muslim practices like namaz, roza, hajj etc and all the sufi saints had fought with the muslims who followed shariyah and all were followers of a GURU/MURSHID
Brother THE RELIGION is not only theorey there is some practical aspect in religion also for which u need a GURU/MURSHID. TRUTH IS ONE, GOD IS ONE AND THE METHOD TO ACHIEVE GOD IS ALSO ONE

Mar 31
Yusuf Estes

I apologize for the late reply brother
I have tried to address all your points as follows. For sake of brevity I have not given any references. If you will ask I will surely provide them.
1. I have a strong objection to the opinion that God Almighty himself incarnates and comes to the earth in human form. I consider this an impossibility for reasons which I will state if you want to know. However, the main point I want to stress in this regard is that Prophet Muhammad who you are presumably putting in this category of divine incarnations, actually unequivocally claimed the opposite- that he was as much human as anybody else and that Muslims should not go to extremes while mentioning him lest they become like the Christians who deified Jesus Christ(who was also a messenger) So I ask you to tell me that on what basis do you deny this fact.
2. Regarding God being partial if He sends no more messengers now I wish to tell you that the reason for sending of messengers is not to put all of humanity on the straight path or to destroy all evil. Rather it is to provide a means by which a sincere seeker of God’s guidance (with regard to his fate after death) can receive that guidance. This guidance was obtained by Muslims 14 centuries ago from the Holy Quran and can be obtained from the very same Quran even today . And as I mentioned before that even if I agree with you, for the sake of argument, that he was the last prophet for the Arabs then will it not imply that God is unjust towards the Arabs. Please explain this point.
3.You say it is a propaganda strategy. You look at it in that way while I see it as testimony to the fact that once the human civilization had advanced to such a point that it was possible for one message to be communicated all across the globe, then God deemed it fit for the last prophet to be sent. As for Muslims claiming that only their followers will go to paradise I want to clarify that this is a misunderstanding of many Muslims. In fact the Muslims were warned against developing such beliefs by giving them the example of the Jews and Christians who did the same. It is only unfortunate that many Muslims still did what they were warned against. But I can assure you that the Quran is free from any such understanding that mere association with some one group will earn you paradise.
4. Although I consider many aspects of sufism as foreign to the religion of Islam but would consider it worthwhile for you to tell me which prominent Sufi ever criticized the daily prayers and fought against Muslims over the shariah.
5. I agree that there is a practical aspect to religion. This is termed as Sunnah in Islam. As a term, it means the practices of the Prophet Abraham to which the Prophet Muhammad gave religious sanction among his followers after reviving and reforming them and after making certain additions to them and it consists of the practices that have been part of the religion of all the previous prophets. It should be noted that this Sunnah was there even before the Quran was revealed and is a fundamental source of guidance along with the Quran. It consists of the practices like namaz, fasting, rituals of sacrifice, nikah, things related to the purification of the body, etiquettes of eating etc.
These practices have come down to us by the perpetual adherence of the previous generations of muslims with the chain extending right up to the Prophet’s and his companions. Since we have these practices all preserved even today I disagree that a messenger is absolutely necessary for such practices to be followed.

Apr 19
Bibard

Following Prophet Mohd in terms of actions is wrong. Only a doctor can understand why the other doctor acted in some way during treatment. Film makers r right to judge which film is better and why. Similarly a spiritualist of the level of Prophet Mohammad can only suggest which action of Prophet is meant for what purpose
All sufis criticized shariyah including namaz, roza etc those who followed were muslim preachers not sufi saints, they were donkeys with white lines pretending to be zebras
I can give u references from muslim saints who says so even about prophet mohd they said was GOD in the form of Ahmad (Bulleh Shah).

Apr19
Yusuf Estes
An obvious outcome of professing faith in a prophet is that he should be obeyed at the behest of God. The Almighty has made it very clear in His Book that a prophet is not merely to be revered, he is to be obeyed also. He is not sent that people merely regard him to be a prophet and then leave him aside; he is not merely one who counsels and preaches; he is a guide who must be obeyed. The very objective of his coming is that whatever guidance he provides in all affairs of religious life must be followed without any hesitation. The Almighty says:
And whichever Messenger We sent forth, was sent so that he be obeyed by God’s authority. (4:64)
The reason for this is that God does not directly interact with His servants. He gives guidance through prophets and messengers. No doubt, the real objective is to obey God. However, the means through which He can be obeyed is by obeying his prophets. In verses such as (He who obeys the Prophet, in fact obeyed God, (4:80)) and others of similar meaning, the Almighty has alluded to this reality. He has also stated the ultimate limit to which a prophet needs to be obeyed: people must whole heartedly and without any hesitation accept his decision in disputes which arise among them. The Quran says:
I swear by your Lord that they cannot be believers until they accept your decision in their disputes and whatever you decide they submit to without any unwillingness of their hearts. (4:65)
Now, your statement that only a spiritual mentor can tell which directives are to be followed and which not is not acceptable because of the following reasons:
1. The directives of the Prophet meant for all human beings untill the Last Day are so clear that people, who can excercise their intelligence in the light of their innate conscience, will have no qualms about accepting them.
2.Even if there are any doubts that people may have, then there are religious teachers and scholars who are dutibound to make clear these directives.
3.It is only in matters relating to religion that these directives have been given. In other matters one is free to make use of his own God given intellect.
4.If one suspends his own thinking and agrees to blindly follow his Guru or Murshid then such an attitude may lead to intellectual stagnancy and may well deprive him of knowing the truth. You should question your murshid in the same way as a muslim can question his religious teacher.
5. Moreover, this appears to be a strawman argument unless you quote some examples of where and why muslims have been misguided due to following the Sunnah of the Prophet, and how your spiritual teacher has shown us some better way.

I am still awaiting some credible source of reference for your claim that any Sufi worth his name ever fought the muslims over the Shariah or criticised the fundamental practices like namaz or roza.
As for Bulleh Shah saying the Muhammad (peace be upon him) was a god incarnate, I would like to draw your attention to the explicit denial of this fact in the following verse of the Quran which was given to us by Prophet Muhammad.
Say: “Glory be to my Lord! Am I not but messenger who is a human being?” And nothing prevents men from professing faith when guidance is revealed to them but the excuse: “Can it be that God has sent a human being as a messenger?” Tell [them]: “Had the angels been walking about comfortably in the earth, We would have sent down to them an angel from heavens as a messenger.” (17:93-95)

Apr 20
Bibard
God is in each atom and HE is inside u and me also and that is the only place where u and me can find HIM. God can be SEEN with the help of Guru and i have seen HIM already. What else proof of this i can give u except that u can also SEE GOD inside ur own body to know how read http://www.divyajyoti.org
Quran is definaltely a scripture of the fake propogandists of islam religion and it has nothing to do with even Prophet Mohd. Its not the same as brought by Prophet otherwise how it can differ from TRUTH on many occassions
If quran was ok than there was no need for many sufi saints to reject it and follow their own Murshid/Guru and they faced the music of muslim clerics
Sant Sarmad another muslim used to recite only half of the kalma ie upto “La illaha” means “Nahi hai allah” or denial of God coz HE knew that Kalma is only for those who accept BAIT from some living Murshid of their time.
Sant Sarmad was beheaded at Delhi. He was asked by a messenger from Aurengzeb the king to recite full kalma in front of the friday prayer crowd. He prefered dying over telling a lie
How can u give sahadat of some murder unless u have SEEN? the act
God incarnated on earth many times in Human Form and according to need of the hour HE presented HIMSELF differently. For eg Son of God in case of Jesus

Apr20
Yusuf Estes

You say that no other proof that I can see God inside me can be given, except that you have seen God with your Guru’s help . My dear friend please reconsider your statement. How can your testimony of your own personal experience serve as proof for me? It may be proof for you but when you want to make another person understand your view you have to give him something for himself. Something that he can himself analyse and study. It may well be possible that you and your guru were misaken in what you saw. Please tell me how you ascertained that you infact saw God and not something else. All these personal experiences have no room in the world of reason as long as you cannot reproduce them. I am not saying that you did not have any experience. All I am saying is that it cannot serve as evidence for anybody else.
There are many incidents reported of such experiences across the world. Surely, you will not expect me to believe all of them with no proof, especially if they go against other rational inferences of mine. So it would be better if we talk about things in a manner that puts our brains at work and keep such personal experiences aside (unless, of course, if you can make me experience something similar and definite).
As for your website, I am having problems accessing it. So, please paste whatever material you want me to consider over here or email it.
You say that Quran is a book of fake propagandists and not something that was given by Prophet Muhammad. I would lik to draw your attention to the fact that it has reached us through the most credible of means i.e. Hundreds and thousands of the Prophet’s companions learnt it by heart and then passed it on verbally to the next generation, which in turn memorised the text in great numbers and this process is still continuing. We read the book everyday during our 5 prayers and it has been such since the Prophet’s time.
As I understand it, your statement stems from your opinion that the Quran disagrees with the truth on many occasions. I ask you to please tell which disagreements are you referring to.
You also seem to take it for granted that the Sufis were right, so if they disagreed with the Quran then it must imply that the Quran is wrong. I ask you to first tell me how do you know that the Sufis were always right?
Aurangzeb is a controversial figure in history. His personal rise to power is not a laudable story – it consisted of political assassinations and imprisonments. His rule had many temples destroyed but it also had many temples protected!!. He even gave safe passage to one of the Sikh gurus while one of his nominees over the Punjab state burned alive one of the Sikh leaders. He favoured muslims over hindus in his administration. His use of the treasury was impeccable. He led a hermit’s life as an emperor. A british traveller, desribed his appearance as one of a saint with a hallow while his troops were drunk and engaged in debauchery.

As you can see, the evidence goes both ways about Aurangzeb. It is difficult to conclude. However if the beheading took place only because of his denial to say the kalimah then of course it was wrong and Aurangzaeb guilty.
As I see you are intent on stating that God incarnated, I hereby ask you that if you are ready to discuss this further I can state my objections against such an idea to which you should post your replies based on reason.

Apr 22
Bibard
Brother here we r discussing spiritualism and in it there r somethings which can be experienced only, words r handicapped they cannot convey fully. This experience can be reproduced, i said that u can also SEE GOD, all u have to do is to go to ur nearest centre of http://www.divyajyoti.org in USA and show ur interest in spiritualism and TRUTH.
It will not cost u anything
reading quran is not the purpose of life, problem is that u have not arrived still. A saint from india said that if i see a child going to a religious place i feel happy but if i see an old man comming out of a religious place i feel like crying. This is like a kid is admitted to class 1 at the age of 5 and he is still in the same class at 60
No i dont follow sufi’s blindly infact my practical experience of GOD is same like them but to prove a point i need to code and in indian sub continent they r trustworthy names
I said that no other proof except that i have see HIM and u can also see HIM through the grace of a SATGURU of our time. After seeing will u ask for proof again???

Apr23
Yusuf Estes

Dear brother
Even if words cannot express your experience fully you can atleast explain it partially, so that I have some idea of what you are talking about. Did you see God in some bodily form or was it just a voice that spoke to you or was it some ethereal feeling. How did you ascertain that it really was God and not something else. I dont mean to ridicule you but tell me if I ask you a few difficult questions can you ask God those questions and then answer me about them. If you answer correctly I will be inclined to give your experience some credibility.
As far as I inquired there is no branch of your institute in my town. So it will not be presently possible for me to visit it.
I feel this proposal of mine should settle the issue. I am not asking you to show me God, just to ask Him some questions on my behalf. But, if you are unable to do so then atleast give my view about God some respect and lend me a patient hearing. I assure you that you will appreciate my perspective which is based on the Holy Quran.

Apr 23
Bibard

Bible says, “God is light, in HIM there is no darkness at all”. Even in quran GOD is refered to as NOOR (light). I seen GOD in the form of divine Light inside my own body with the help of THIRD EYE/Divine eye by the help of my GURU/MURSHID
No i am not yeat able to communicate with GOD but there r other disciples of my GURU who can
What i have got is well explained in many religious books. My GURU got more than 1 million muslim believers too and we have muslim preachers too.
we respect Prophet Mohammad and quran also equally but our Murshid/Guru is more supreme than all the MESSENGERS/GURU’S of the past for us.
U can ask ur questions and i will try to get answer for u
See brother i was born in pakistan and lived there for 24 years of my life and i know what u have to tell me the same i have been told 1000’s of times before also but i have not fallen prey
But i must appreciate ur patience, u r not like others from ur community perhaps coz of US up bringing and values

Apr24
Yusuf Estes
Peace be with you dear brother
I hope you will excuse me for being late in my replies.
Before I ask you the questions that I mentioned in my last post let me clarify that the verse talking about Allah being the noor of the heavens and the earth does not mean the physical light i.e. it is not talking of some electromagnetic wave. This is a poetic use of the word. If you feel interested I may send you a link elaborating upon it. Don’t think that I understand you to have taken it in the other meaning. I wrote this just to clarify.
You say you are not yet able to communicate with God. Well, then the question remains that how did you ascertain who it is that you see.
I don’t think it to be profitable to get into the business of deciding who was greater- Prophet Muhammad or any other messenger. In this regard I strive to follow the guidance of the Quranic verse 2:285 –They (believers) say, “We make no distinction between one another of His Messengers” – and they say, “We hear, and we obey. (We seek) Your Forgiveness, our Lord, and to You is the return (of all).”
All I ask from you is a patient hearing as I consider it highly probable that the message of Islam wasn’t conveyed properly to you.
Now the questions that I wish you to answer so as to convince me of the credibility of your experiences are:
1. My mobile phone has google maps installed on it but it does not give my correct location. I want you to tell me which city does it show me to be living in?
2. I have been lately reading a novel. What is the name of that novel?
3. I recently gave a presentation at my university. What was the topic of that presentation?
4. What is my real name and where am I currently living?
5. Where is my father living presently?
Surely God knows all this. Also answering these questions will not entail some difficulty as it will not amount to disorder in the universe.

May 03
Bibard

Even Aurengzeb asked to the than GURU to show some karamat/miracle to prove his greatness. The than Guru said that i am not a magician, what u r asking perhaps some good palmist may tell u but Guru will never induldge in all this
Try to understand me i lived in a muslim country for more than 24 years ie pakistan and i heard all that u wish to tell me many times. The quran that i available with u is not the one that is brought by prophet and transation of now a days muslim ulmas is all rubbish. I only trust some muslim sufi saints and their references from quran. like Bulleh Shah, Sultan Bahu, Sant Sarmad, Maulana Rumi, Rabiya Basree, Ameer khushro etc
The propoganda that is being funded by OIL money is fake and i have no time to listen it again and again and again, there is a limit to anything. sorry if i sound harsh to u.
The muslim saints names that i mentioned r 100% right and says exactaly what the TRUTH is. Even my GURU have got lakhs of muslim disciples who know what the exact religion is and they and i have same religion.

May 07
Yusuf Estes

Realize that I am not asking you to show me some miracle or tell me about the future. All I ask you is to answer 5 simple questions whose answer I already know.

If you refuse to answer any of my questions then how can you expect me to believe your story that you see God and some of your friends even converse with Him.

Moreover you yourself said that I can ask whatever I like and you will try and answer my questions.

But instead of even attempting to answer them you have started to rubbish my religion and my Holy book. You are free to hold your own beliefs but please have some consideration for the other person’s sentiments when you make such claims. Also when in an academic discussion I expect you to provide some evidence for your assertions.

If you don’t have time to listen to my views then why did you in the first place start scrapping to me? Your friend Rish.Rocks has ended his correspondence on a very offensive note just because I asked him a few questions regarding idol worship. I hope you don’t follow suit.

Also understand that you may consider the Sufis that you mentioned as infallible but I see them as ordinary human beings who also made mistakes. Neither did they make the claim of being 100% right on all religious matters. Also, I think you have made it clear that your guruji has many muslim followers so please don’t keep repeating that. Number of followers is not the criterion to judge the veracity of someone’s claims. Rather the rationality and evidence behind it is the main factor.

May 08
Bibard
OK u ask similar questions from ALLAH and let me know the answer? is it possible? What u r trying to do is not the criteria to test a GURU, the criteria is the divine knowldge to which i tested and find fit. GURU will not follow u will have to follow. Why cannot u treat as SEEING GOD urself as a proof. Go to ur nearest centre

May 08
Yusuf Estes

I never said that Allah communicates with me directly so why should I ask Him such questions. But you, on the other hand, have been telling me that your guruji has divine knowledge and can communicate with God. In order to test the truthfulness of your claim I asked you those questions. God knows everything and so He should also know the answer to my questions. I don’t understand why it should be difficult for your guru to get the answers if his claim is true.
Prophet Muhammad was asked questions by the people of medina which God answered correctly in the Quran (for e.g. who was Cyrus, who were the seven sleepers etc.) and this was one of the proofs for his prophethood (even though he only claimed that an angel comes to him from God and not that God himself conversed with him.)
So why are you shying away from this challenge if you are really truthful.
If I had a centre of your organization near my town I would have certainly paid it a visit. If you want me to make a 400 mile journey to your centre then give me some reason for doing so. If only you had answered my questions I would have been really excited to go there and would not have wasted a minute in getting ready.
You talk of seeing God as being proof. But how did you recognize God?
I can tell you of a man who was arrested for some criminal offense and he said Jesus told him to do so. When the judge asked him how he recognized Jesus he answered – by his portraits! Those paintings are just imaginations of people as to what they think he looked like and none date back to the time of Jesus.
So if you can’t have Him answer simple questions then who will guarantee that what you see wasn’t some spirit posing as God.
If cross-questioning is not the criterion for judging a person’s veracity then what is?